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00:00:00 - [SCOTT_WARNER] He's been going down the, terminal based AI agent, rabbit hole. Okay? Because it's a big deal out there right now if for anyone who, like, watches YouTube videos and stuff, you know, like, of a certain type. So Claude code is the current fanboy item on the Internet. And so I would like to play I told you I'd like to play around with it, but out of curiosity, I started playing around with Codex, and Codex works perfectly well. So his desire to use Claude is simply because he's watched the Internet and they convinced him that it's, you know, the new kid on the block and so amazing. And the answer remains the same as we have said from day one, use the tools we provide. And that's my opinion. And else you guys think differently. But 00:00:45 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I think at some point, we're gonna have to figure out how to I I I don't think today's the day. But with the addition of Shaper development folks, I we're gonna have to figure out something here. And I don't know if it's the you can have two AI licenses per person. Mhmm. And we are friends with these four, and you can pick two. I don't know. I yeah. This conversation the 00:01:14 - [SCOTT_WARNER] other day. I'm just Yeah. I mean so I I looked into it. So Claude for two like, the business license for Claude for five users is 1,200 a year. To me, that's not horrible, but it goes down the same pathway as anything else. Right? So okay. So we give it to gauge. He's he tells Sean. Sean wants it. Sean tells Scott. Scott wants it. You know? He just 00:01:33 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Well and all these folks are gonna end up with four. I mean, I think that more yeah. All these folks are gonna end up with every one of them, and we don't know if they're actually using them, and then we have a callback becomes a problem. Yeah. 00:01:45 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well and and I think the issue you're gonna find is that that Copilot, I don't believe, has a a console version. And what benefit that offers you is the ability to keep the l l LLM processing mostly local, the files local. You don't upload things. You don't have to you don't have the 10 file limit kinda situation. So that's why they wanna do it. And and if not today, but if you guys ever want me to show you, I've I've built kind of a pilot environment that I was playing around with. And and it's it's incredibly useful, but it's not for everybody. It's for super technical people who have the need for it. So we you're right, Shawn. At some point, I think we have to talk about this, discuss it, and see if it's something we wanna support. I don't know that it's worth our our time investment as an IT team because we're just not big enough to push it, but that feels like a a cop out answer to people who want to work, especially someone, the technical teams like SawStop engineering and the Shaper software development folk and and whatnot. So that's just my Yeah. I 00:02:49 - [SHAWN_REMICK] yeah. I feel like there has to be a way to give them a dev environment to play with. I think most of these people Eric is one who I believe this. I think he will use it for three weeks, realize he got over his skis, and close her down. 00:03:03 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. 00:03:04 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I now if one of the five of these people come up with, like, the greatest use case like, I I don't wanna stifle in a it's kinda like the Innovation Lab idea. Right? I don't wanna stifle it. And so one of the thoughts I've had a lot is, like, do you just give them an environment in our virtual machine where we have transparency on the machine cleaner and say, hey. And this is where I think the I think whether it's Shaper or it's SawStop that need anybody who needs this admin access to do this work, like, it would be much cleaner if they did it in a machine that we had transparency to. We gave them a local admin on that only on that box. They could play around, and we would get updates on what they're installing and what they're doing. And we could also remote the hard drive and see. Like, I like that balance better than we start letting people run around with their laptop with Python and Clod and all the stuff running on it. 00:04:01 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well, in in we get we get into the risk of most of these things are Linux supported tools. And I don't know if Eric knows Linux or not. But, Gage, I can tell you that that the Linux environment that I think either you or HQ built for me, they blocked almost any ability for it to be useful. So I actually just shut it down the other day because I got tired of trying to fiddle around their their rules. 00:04:23 - [SHAWN_REMICK] You mean on a firewall perspective? 00:04:26 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. They have the repos and everything blocked in Linux. 00:04:31 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. But I think if we approach the issue so, Scott, the Linux environment that Wolfram is gonna build for us for this Shaper project, he was what I would call pretty open 00:04:46 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. 00:04:47 - [SHAWN_REMICK] To talking. I think the important part is the subnet that it's on needs to be for that designated purpose only. And so if we're gonna have an innovation lab for this type of thing, maybe that subnet becomes you know, four forty three is allowed always. And if you need pinholes, he has kinda opened up the idea to us being able to manage a VLAN locally on the firewall side and and make some holes. So I I think there's an option there. 00:05:18 - [SCOTT_WARNER] We have nine minutes till our next meeting. Do do you guys have two seconds to look at something? 00:05:24 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Sure. Yeah. Alright. I'm gonna walk away for thirty seconds to get coffee. But You're fine. So this should be it. 00:05:33 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Tell me if you see a Linux prop combo. Yep. Okay. And then we'll wait on Shawn real quick. 00:05:39 - [SHAWN_REMICK] So Yeah. I'm here. I'm here. Okay. I'm out of coffee. 00:05:42 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Alright. So I'm in a corporate goals folder that I've been using to help Vera because we she's got all these OKRs, all these oh, shit. This was my personal goals. So, yeah, anyway, same idea. So if I say, Codex, which is Chad GPT in the in the terminal. And I think I have shit. What's the hold on one second. There's a way to resume oh, I guess I don't have an open thing here here. Anyway, so if I say review god dang. Review my executive. Today's not gonna be a day for typing. Coach and find the last five topics discussed and summarize into an email to Shawn and Gage to show them the value. So it's it's keeping all this data is local. And so I have, transcripts from my executive coaching plan, calls I have with Brendan Crowley, and it's it's very valuable to be able to do this. Now I can, like, walk away, go do other shit or whatever, but it tells you, like, what engine it's using, how much of your context window you have left, you know, tells me where I'm at, you know, in my directory. It's taking a little longer than I meant it to, but it's Yeah. I I can definitely see the value for people, who who are certainly more technical, and it's it allowed me to help Vera with something that would have taken us days or weeks to put together, and it did it in, like, twenty minutes. And I walked away and came back to something that was complete. So it was kinda nice. 00:07:42 - [SHAWN_REMICK] What was its end product that it provided you? 00:07:45 - [SCOTT_WARNER] An Excel spreadsheet. Here. Where's that at? Okay. Rs. Oh, shit. That's not what I meant to do. 00:08:01 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Do you think if I'm asking a question. I think I have an inclination. The answer is no. If you had had all of these transcripts in your OneDrive and you had asked Copilot to do the Excel, do you think it would have missed by a pretty large margin? 00:08:17 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I don't know. That's a good question. 00:08:21 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Because what I think you've done is create a Copilot. Now It is. You may have created a much better version of Copilot, and that's what has kinda like the itch I wanna scratch right now. 00:08:33 - [SCOTT_WARNER] So you're I guess I didn't even really think about it like that because I didn't I don't store things in that format in OneDrive necessarily. But what I haven't determined is can you limit Copilot to a certain context window? So, like, I only want you to look at this folder. You know? Can 00:08:52 - [SHAWN_REMICK] you Yeah. It's a backslash. It's a backslash in Copilot that gives you that context window. 00:08:57 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Okay. So Yeah. Show so so maybe 00:09:01 - [SHAWN_REMICK] But I'm I'm not professing it would have done a good job. I'm just saying that that it can do context and style. It can look at a specific folder. It can create an Excel. I just don't know if it would have been good enough for what you're looking for. 00:09:15 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Sure. And I don't know either. So it generated this. I didn't do a damn thing. So it generated a KPI read me. It generated a KPI dictionary, which she's got it all filtered, I don't wanna touch it. But, you know, OKR read me, OKR dictionaries, it took everything from every meeting she had, and it created the monthly update schedule. 00:09:36 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Pretty cool. 00:09:37 - [SCOTT_WARNER] And then, you know, it created a a basic data dashboard. Now it just did it as a a baseline. I think there's a lot of work she still has to do, but that saved a lot of figuring some shit out that, you know, she said really helped her because she was struggling with, like, how do you synthesize all this data into a way that's actually usable and updatable so that it's not like everybody send your updates to Vera and she does it kind of a situation. Right? That's what she was worried about. 00:10:11 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Can I I'm gonna ask a question that I I don't mean it in a negative way? But the question I think I need to figure out how to answer is how do we get Vera in the training and and moving forward in this and not asking Scott to do it for 00:10:26 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well, yeah, I think that's the right answer. And I think she has interest in it now. She she was onboarding Tanner at the time, which was really the time crunch, but I I do think she knows that this is a skill she has to pick up. So 00:10:42 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. And that's that's kinda where I'm at right now is I see a lot of people that I expected to have joined this Who haven't? And haven't. No. And that's why I sent that email out to the ELT, and I haven't I haven't seen a huge jump since then either. Honestly, we're still at seven people out of the next 24 spots open, and I'm just I'm not sure how to motivate. And I I think it's a it's happening at a bad time because we're all so busy, but I you what you did is fairly advanced, and I'm not professing that we're teaching that right now. But I think it's a walk, you know, crawl, walk, run, and I I I can't get people into the crawl phase. Well but that I'm not picking on Vera. I'm not picking on Vera. I'm picking on probably a lot of people that I expected to see. You know, there's there's been some other folks. Like, I haven't seen Cassandra. I expected that one. Like, there's just there's a list of people in my head that I'm like, I can't believe. Jon is another one. I surprises me he didn't sign up. Like, that this seems like bread and butter. I don't know. No. Just feedback. 00:11:48 - [SCOTT_WARNER] But That that's good feedback because I in my one on one with Amity yesterday, she asked me, you know, how is the AI progressing? And I told her, I said, well, on which front? Because we see we fight more fights on trying to get people to even understand the difference between AI and just asking Google a question and, you know, and, automation workflows that are machine learning versus true AI synthesis or through your thought or or anything like that. To me, we're just we're kinda broken on that front, I think, as far as even basic understanding. So I hear you, Shawn, and I don't disagree. I think it's a problem right now. So oh, fudge. This was gonna there I was like, why is this taking six minutes? It's because I'm on the VPN, it doesn't work if you're on the VPN. So you have to leave the VPN. 00:12:34 - [SHAWN_REMICK] So we can fix that, though. But what you're doing with this is what I would hope we see people do, not you know, I don't worry about the three of us home labbing. I worry about us having a home lab, a saw stop, or a shadow IT department running at saw stop. And I think this is a good way to enable that. 00:12:57 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. So now it's much faster. I was like, man, this has never happened. This is this is like Steve Ballmer, Bill Gates worthy. No. 00:13:06 - [SHAWN_REMICK] What's that mounting to? Is that mounting to a a file? Like, you have a file system on that machine? Or 00:13:12 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I have it mounted to my c drive on 00:13:15 - [SHAWN_REMICK] this Okay. Okay. Well, I noticed it was in the mount folder, so I was just curious where the mount goes. 00:13:21 - [SCOTT_WARNER] So if you guys I know I can't really zoom in, but can you guys read that? So that's kinda Yeah. We can. Together. So anyway, real basic case, but it just shows so hold on. Let me so, and so you can do slash in it, and it creates an agent dot m d. So it kinda creates a here's where we ended on this project. So the next time I start new agent, it picks up right where it left off, which is kinda nice. So then I can exit. And if I do l s so it took all those files, and it coalesced that into that email. So, anyway, just interesting food for thought showing you kinda how that's that's what Eric's trying to do. I would guarantee it. But I don't think Eric's technical enough to pull it off. That's just my 2. So 00:14:06 - [SHAWN_REMICK] That's kinda why I'm taking the approach of let's just let that go, and I'll see. I I need to probably followup with Ronnie and see if he's installing stuff on Eric's computer. But 00:14:17 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well, Ronnie is Ronnie is out for today and Monday. So Yeah. Katherin back out came out. Alright. 00:14:25 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I'll see you in a minute. Take care, guys. Cool.
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