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00:00:01 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Jeremy offered to buy this server. And now he's, like, losing his shit and adding Philip, and I'm guessing he made that comment without Philip's support. That's a guess. 00:00:14 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I was kinda confused by it, honestly. It's like, don't understand. I don't know. There was a lot I didn't understand about that whole thing. 00:00:24 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Well, that's why I just thought, let's get. Because I imagine he is going to take that to Amity or Amity is gonna wanna take it to him or some iteration there. I just thought, well, I will save everybody the trouble. 00:00:41 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I mean, I talked to Casey about it a little bit yesterday. He even was like, why we wanna do that, you know, kinda thing. So, just because we have 00:00:52 - [SHAWN_REMICK] one on one. So After we yeah. 00:00:57 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Trying to find 00:00:58 - [SHAWN_REMICK] some notes for you. Casey's situation I I don't I initially was confused why you were irritated about that, but now that I've realized, like, I don't know why there's yet another chef in the kitchen. 00:01:11 - [SCOTT_WARNER] That's my problem. It it's Casey's actually genuinely great to work with, but he's also a freaking tornado, and I don't need another tornado in my life. So 00:01:22 - [SHAWN_REMICK] aren't we all? 00:01:23 - [SCOTT_WARNER] For lack of a better word. Yeah. 00:01:27 - [SHAWN_REMICK] That's funny. I yeah. I I just felt like we can't get anything done. That's my current feeling. 00:01:39 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I I mean 00:01:42 - [SHAWN_REMICK] mean, don't get me wrong. I like to live the motto of we can execute, but I feel like on this particular topic, nobody can seem to execute. 00:01:52 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. And I I guess I just it it's like I know we can. We just it's I think it's worse for me because we're choosing not to in so many cases, and I just wanna be like, why? Like, I don't understand the why. I 00:02:05 - [SHAWN_REMICK] don't feel like there's clear. Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you my opinion, and that is I think Matt Howard gave oh, that might be part of my problem right there. That's definitely disconnected. I think Matt Howard gave this feeling, though, of we are gonna go out here and make all these decisions, but then I don't think that any of those decisions were ours to make. Like, what to do with the abstract? Like, Angela got really far down that rabbit hole before I think she has now realized that we don't really have any set of that. And so I just I don't think clear, like, rules of engagement were cleanly defined. A great example is, like, who really owns HITL? I don't personally think it's us, but if you all tell me it's us, my job is to do whatever. But, like, that should be an HQ function. Is that really not working still? This is infuriating. 00:03:11 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. It's sorry. I know we're I don't understand how a camera doesn't work. This is pretty basic part of Teams. Like, what the hell? 00:03:18 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Dude, I'm telling you, man. This is now I will say this. It's on an extension cord. If we're if we're, you know not that this is 00:03:32 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well, mine 00:03:32 - [SHAWN_REMICK] is I 00:03:33 - [SHAWN_REMICK] mean, I 00:03:33 - [SCOTT_WARNER] have a 50 25 foot one on this camera and it works okay. So 00:03:38 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Well, I have found that our our hardware is absolutely awful That's true. Personally. 00:03:44 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I do have a good camera on that TV, so maybe that's part of it. But anyway, well, I'm trying to find my notes and I don't know where I put them yet. But, basically, I I called Amity yesterday pretty frustrated about the Casey thing and not and again, I just wanna know who owns shit. And I sent you the PowerPoint I made. Like, they're still not moving on those kinds of things. It's like 00:04:12 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Well, that was gonna be my first topic for you. Like, have we gotten any of last Wednesday's questions answered? If we can't get questions answered in a week's working time, I don't know that we're gonna be successful. 00:04:22 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well, so supposedly, there's a bunch of meetings today. So god. I wish this 00:04:29 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Now there's a whole slew. I you did figure out that there's a set of meetings you're not invited to. Right? 00:04:33 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. That there's a lot of meetings I'm not invited to, which good and bad, I guess. I trust me, I don't need any more meetings, but it's like also but then I need to know, like, who's gonna make these decisions and when can I expect answers and and things like that? 00:04:48 - [SHAWN_REMICK] So I don't even think it's about the decision at this point. I think it's about some of it's just about, like, the knowledge does not travel in this company as well. It doesn't. Knowledge is very hard. You have to pull it out of people. Jeremy's clearly angry that he's not getting continued in the company. It it personally, at this point, I would just again, I'm willing to do whatever you want us to do. I'm willing to continue working on components of this. I'm willing to walk away from components of this. But as an organization, we should walk in there, pack everything up, and fucking move it next week and tell them, look. I'm sorry. You don't wanna play ball. That's fine. Find a job. Yeah. Like, I don't know why we're trying to be so democratic about this. 00:10:29 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I actually don't understand either. So well, let's talk about because the critical timeline is coming up on this asset thing. I mean, what I originally told Amity is it might make sense for you, Casey, and I to hop on the phone, and we discussed the two plans that are up against each other. Because what I explained to her is what we have is Shawn went out there a week ahead of Casey. Shawn had a full week to develop a plan. Casey never bothered to call anyone and and we didn't have time to update him. 00:10:58 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Who told Casey this was his initiative? 00:11:00 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Matt Howard is causing this problem. Because Matt Howard thinks that Casey has all this bandwidth, which Casey says he does not have. Amity is a bit frustrated because Just 00:11:13 - [SHAWN_REMICK] give the project to Casey then if that's I mean, if that's what Matt Howard wants, he's the CEO, let him have it. Yeah. I'll hand off happily. He can get this truck to over to Lebanon. I am not in a position where I care. 00:11:28 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I just wanna make sure we get the IT shit back. 00:11:32 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Well, what IT stuff? I mean, we have we'll have decisions on anything. 00:11:36 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well, do we want I think you and I were on the the alignment that we'd wanna clear the the systems and send them out. But Casey says, well, Jamie go well, ahead. Ahead. 00:11:46 - [SHAWN_REMICK] We're in alignment on that. That is not what's gonna that's not what Jeremy's gonna happen. 00:11:51 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. He's telling Casey that the whoever we're using is gonna or I'm sorry. He's saying that the shaper team will wipe the devices before they leave. And I just I to me, it's wrong to do it that way. 00:12:05 - [SHAWN_REMICK] It is. But, again, I I just need I I am happy to go either way. I don't wanna fight Casey on this stuff. Like, if he wants it, he can have it. If he wants the IT, he can have the IT, I guess. I 00:12:17 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Nah. He doesn't give IT. We we get to own that. 00:12:20 - [SHAWN_REMICK] But Well, do we, though? Well You say that, but has HQ agreed to that even? 00:12:29 - [SCOTT_WARNER] So Bernd has been mute. I don't understand what's going on. Well, I'm sure he just hates my 00:12:35 - [SHAWN_REMICK] guts We at this meet with him tomorrow. 00:12:37 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I know. I can't wait. He hasn't responded. Well, I let me make sure he hadn't responded to my email as of yesterday. Where is that? 00:12:48 - [SHAWN_REMICK] But here's the thing. I have a problem and I'm just I wanna verbalize this so that we close the loop here. K. Again, we'll do whatever you decide. We are fucking Pascal on this whole situation. That's the person I feel bad for. 00:13:04 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Talk what are the biggest pain points you think that are hitting him that we could impact? And I'm not disagreeing. I'm just making sure I 00:13:12 - [SHAWN_REMICK] align. I mean, I don't know how I don't know what Casey's move plan looks like, but does Casey understand that stuff has to be very carefully double packed and taken care of and not UPS'ed to us? I don't 00:13:28 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I honestly don't know because he didn't really he didn't walk me through his plan. I just got wind that he has a plan, which set off alarms in my head, which is when I called Amity and was like, who the hell is in charge of this thing? 00:13:42 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Well, he's not collaborating, which is the problem we're trying to fix actively. Right. So, yeah, Casey, Michael, and Shawn all going maybe different directions. But 00:13:53 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well, Casey's trying to get Shawn Casey's trying to get Shawn or Casey's trying to get Michael removed from the project, and Amity won't let that happen. So 00:14:00 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Why? 00:14:01 - [SCOTT_WARNER] She says he provides a lot of value to her because he's the alignment with HQ, so she doesn't have to. 00:14:08 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Dude, let Casey do 00:14:10 - [SCOTT_WARNER] that. Exactly. I don't 00:14:11 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Put Casey in the project management role. Kick Michael out. Let 11 and take care of the move situation, and we all are in the spaces that probably best suit us. 00:14:25 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I'll have to I guess I might reach out to Casey and just say, you know, hey. I I didn't I'm happy 00:14:32 - [SHAWN_REMICK] to hop on a call. Dude, I'm happy to hop on a call with him and show him what our plan is. But 00:14:36 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. Because maybe he doesn't have a maybe I'm overreacting. Maybe he just has an asset plan that he wants to circulate. But to me, it sounded 00:14:44 - [SHAWN_REMICK] like we want disposal plan that needs to be taken care of. And if he wants to own anything we're not taking, that seems to make logical sense. I don't wanna own that for sure. 00:14:56 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Let me just see if 00:14:57 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I he's also think, to be fair, that somebody from America needs to oversee Shaper's ability to dispose of assets. I think Shaper's trying to take all this shit home. 00:15:09 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I'm I'm I'm sure of it. And actually, he said for, like, the laptops, that's the the staff gets first dib on them. So, yeah, they wanna buy all that shit or take it or whatever. 00:15:19 - [SHAWN_REMICK] That's not right, dude. Your staff get first dibs. 00:15:26 - [SCOTT_WARNER] That I'm sorry. That's what I meant to say. I don't know what I said. The staff get to pick on it first. 00:15:30 - [SHAWN_REMICK] But why would we let the staff without verifying that all the data's been wiped? 00:15:35 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I I did I agree, and I told him that yesterday. 00:15:41 - [SHAWN_REMICK] That's frightening. And I bet HQ would not be entertained by that. Aren't those capily depreciated assets that Supposedly sell and recover? 00:15:49 - [SCOTT_WARNER] So he has all the book values and supposedly they're supposed to recover that, but most of the book values are showing as zero, which I find odd. So 00:15:56 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. I'm not gonna disagree with you on this. Yeah. Just don't think I'm trying to be difficult. I'm just telling you, don't hurt my feelings if you need to give stuff away. I'll do whatever. 00:16:14 - [SCOTT_WARNER] No. I just at this point, here's the thing. I either want the ability to affect change or I want the hell out of it. Like, it's it's that bad. So 00:16:24 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I agree. I also am getting very, very worried right now that we are, if we get this in the last hour, we're going to look like we couldn't deliver. Yeah. My only ask is if it's ours, want to own it entirely. If it's Casey's, he can own it entirely. But Shapers, let them own it entirely. But don't 00:16:53 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Don't half ass it. Right? I mean, come on. 00:16:54 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Don't don't make us look bad because you're 00:17:02 - [SCOTT_WARNER] The only time he really has is 0200. 00:17:06 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I don't I don't have anything that's urgent today. I'm just trying to get some basic. I think half hour should 00:17:12 - [SCOTT_WARNER] be enough or do you think we need an hour? Because we could go at 0300 for a full hour. Yeah. I think we need the hour probably because we gotta see his plan and tear it apart or what. And then we can always end early. So 00:17:28 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. That's fine. 00:17:31 - [SCOTT_WARNER] He's busy, then he has a free what's your 1130? Is that anything critical? 00:17:40 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I like earlier, so let me check. Hang on. No. It can move. It's a conversation with a single person out in Chicago on the sales team, and he's told me pick any time today. 00:17:56 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Alright. So I'm gonna I'm gonna put this at 1130. It's only for a half hour, but at least then we can get in and out of this thing. You know what I mean? 00:18:03 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Yeah. 00:18:04 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. I'm good. Okay. Send. 00:18:09 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Alright. You should get that. So we'll at least chat with him and see kinda what needs to happen because I I just I don't know. I'm I'm frustrated. I think you're fresh well, I you're frustrated, so it's like we need to just understand what the plan is. 00:18:25 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. And and either get in or get out. I don't 00:18:33 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Okay. 00:18:34 - [SHAWN_REMICK] What I would I do wanna walk out of that with if if we're doing the move, we're doing the move. If they're doing the move, they're doing the move. Like, I I didn't realize they had so much experience in that space. But And and maybe some hybrid model where he's gonna pick the items and we're gonna you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't 00:18:55 - [SCOTT_WARNER] No. I I align. I I I think come out of there with clear ownership decisions and and understanding so that we're on the same page and then we can take, you know, maybe he's just doing asset this this this position planning and that's it and and that's fine. But I I still think he should have probably talked to us, but that's, you know, it is what it is. 00:19:15 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I mean, has he talked to anybody in North America? 00:19:19 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Just Amity, I think. And and he aligned with me yesterday enough to know kinda that there was a plan, but that wasn't what we were meeting about. So I don't know. He kinda walked through his he he had a finance that you know, his his planning was around the finance area. So maybe that's why he thinks asset disposition's his. I actually never really thought about it that way, but I guess that could be it. 00:19:39 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I think actually disposing of it on the books is one thing. Think I think there needs to be oversight on, like, how they actually get rid of stuff, but I don't know if that's true. 00:19:50 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. Okay. Well, I set up the call, we'll have that discussion and go from there. 00:19:56 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Okay. On the other topic, since we're wrapping up AdaptX, hopefully. Yeah. Hopefully. On on the server thing, are we just gonna let Amity sort this out with Philip? Is that your Yeah. 00:20:11 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I think so. I mean, but, again, kinda going back to it, I either wanna take it or I I I don't wanna be responsible for some bullshit. So no. I don't think that's coming out of my budget at all. That's silliness. So 00:20:27 - [SHAWN_REMICK] because Yeah. 00:20:28 - [SCOTT_WARNER] And if it were if that's the case, then we'll just move the one they have. Like, if they don't get this as a we get to buy a new one. You know what I mean? 00:20:36 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I don't Yeah. 00:20:36 - [SCOTT_WARNER] That's that's my thoughts. 00:20:37 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I I I agree. And then on data, are you do you need anything more from me to get a decision and ownership alignment on that one with them? 00:20:51 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I I think we'll just gonna have to 00:20:53 - [SHAWN_REMICK] get involved in that too. 00:20:54 - [SCOTT_WARNER] We don't have any quotes yet. Right? 00:20:57 - [SHAWN_REMICK] On which part? 00:21:00 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Like, the server pieces or anything? 00:21:03 - [SHAWN_REMICK] No. No. Because we can't. I'm sorry. I shifted gears on you. 00:21:08 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Okay. I I heard I heard that 00:21:10 - [SHAWN_REMICK] as Philip and Amity are going to align on who's paying for the server. 00:21:12 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. That's fine. 00:21:13 - [SHAWN_REMICK] We'll continue we'll continue the quoting pathway. I'm talking about the how we're going to destroy the data and get the machines. Like, are are we letting them are we letting them just have the machines? Do you want us to worry about the 00:21:29 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Well, that's how that we'll have that be part the discussion we have today with Casey and talk about when we because I'll just say, hey. The disposition plan, you know, Shawn and I both feel pretty strongly that that that's an open risk, we don't we don't think that's the right way to go. And if he pushes back, then I we can either I guess I'll have to decide which way we wanna go on that. I mean, I don't I don't know that I really have the authority to say they can't do that, but I know HQ's viewpoint on it is gonna be the same as yours and mine. You know what I mean? 00:22:01 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. And that's the standard. The other thing to think about is we need to then buy something to back like, if we do end up with this server in our building, do we back it up or are we going to not back it up? Because we don't currently have a platform to back it up on either. And I was hoping to use that Synology as the backup resource. But 00:22:22 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Right. And, again, I don't have access to this disposition plan, but that that's another thing that I would have to just say that there's no reason that doesn't come to us. Like, that should. It's still usable technology. Why would we not use it? You know what I mean? 00:22:37 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. No. I don't disagree with you. Okay. We'll add that to our conversation this afternoon. Good deal. That's all the papers I really wanna talk about today. 00:22:44 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I got you. 00:22:47 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Unless you have other stuff that you think is important. 00:22:49 - [SCOTT_WARNER] No. I freaking am tired of this bullshit. So 00:22:52 - [SHAWN_REMICK] So Bercow's been quiet on your email. 00:22:54 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Not a single answer. Not a word. 00:22:57 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I sent it to whomever. They've been doing 00:23:01 - [SHAWN_REMICK] stuff for me this 00:23:02 - [SHAWN_REMICK] morning on some stuff. And it has it doesn't involve TTS and a. So I was kinda curious to see what happens. But Thomas had to sign off on several of the items, which I thought was funny too. 00:23:20 - [SCOTT_WARNER] That's interesting, but okay. 00:23:23 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Thomas seems to have to sign off on almost everything they do. 00:23:27 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Which, I mean, from a security standpoint, I guess, I get to a point, but I I don't know. I just feel like at some point, you're kinda over engineering the situation, and I feel like that's what I'm seeing now. It's like 00:23:39 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. I think that that's why things are so slow. 00:23:44 - [SCOTT_WARNER] To me, it's just very frustrating because it's like, why are yeah. Well, TTS is just slow and, you know, and one of the things we've said is we're gonna figure out how to execute faster and we're just not doing that. I mean, that's just the simple in and out of it. 00:23:55 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Well, it's and let's say we we sever from HQ on some of these decisions. It is, I think I feel the passion from Matt, and I feel the passion from you. I don't know that I feel the passion from Amity all the time, but I do feel the passion. The problem is at every point, like 00:24:12 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I'll give you a great example of the thought I have is 00:24:15 - [SHAWN_REMICK] that, dude, I like your intern idea, but I I think it's for not because where are we gonna get this data from? You know, that was my takeaway. It's like, yeah. 00:24:25 - [SHAWN_REMICK] It'd be cool to have an intern. We could use the guy over in India that now likes. Like, everybody 00:24:30 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I feel like everybody wants the data, 00:24:32 - [SHAWN_REMICK] but nobody wants to 00:24:34 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Find the data? 00:24:36 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Well, fight to get us the data is really the term that needs used. We might be in Camera? Dude, crazy. So this tells me it can't be in a camera. This is the third one. It's gotta be a cable. 00:24:54 - [SCOTT_WARNER] That's doing the same thing though? 00:24:56 - [SHAWN_REMICK] It's not as bad, but it's doing the same thing. 00:25:01 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Are you plugged into the same port? Like, is it your dock, you think? Or 00:25:05 - [SHAWN_REMICK] It's the it's the middle cable because I think if I I'm pretty sure it's the middle jumper cable that is the root cause because I think if I bypass that, this will work. Sorry. I know you're probably annoyed at this point. 00:25:21 - [SCOTT_WARNER] It's kinda funny. I I I I don't 00:25:25 - [SHAWN_REMICK] know. 00:25:25 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. People laugh at me. 00:25:26 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Oh, yeah. That's fine. Yep. 00:25:28 - [SCOTT_WARNER] So it's Yeah. 00:25:28 - [SHAWN_REMICK] It's a cable. With a cable. 00:25:32 - [SCOTT_WARNER] So I have a extra that I bought, like but it's only 10 feet or so. Don't know how long how long you need, but it was fine on my camera. So 00:25:41 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. I get a new one replaced. That's fine. 00:25:43 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I say 00:25:44 - [SHAWN_REMICK] you can just any Alright. Quicker is price. Yeah. Probably. Well, I'll be onsite the next couple days. 00:25:52 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Gotcha. So 00:25:54 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I'm doing Wednesday, Thursday this week. 00:25:57 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Cool. You're up then. I was yesterday and Tuesday. I was here yesterday and today, and then I don't tomorrow, it it may be just he was supposed to get out of the hospital, so we'll see how that goes. But did I just lose you? 00:26:17 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I'll be honest with you, first time in years I've actually had a what I would call a real outage. 00:26:22 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Wow. 00:26:23 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I'm I think it's the storm, but I have fiber, which is. 00:26:28 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Is it a storm? 00:26:29 - [SHAWN_REMICK] It's storm? Oh, well, I it's raining here for you. Gotcha. Not lightning. But I'm guessing that, like, somebody hit a pole. 00:26:41 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Cool. Well, I I mean, I don't want you to have to continue on on this, but, like, any other huge issues you wanna discuss? Or 00:26:50 - [SHAWN_REMICK] No. We talked through AdaptDx. We talked through talk through burn. What are 00:27:00 - [SHAWN_REMICK] the do you have any 00:27:01 - [SHAWN_REMICK] other burning items that you need to see done? We're I we are a little backed up right now in general. There is just and this is a more informative, not I don't need anything. 00:27:10 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. 00:27:12 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Ecommerce is a train wreck. I had a conversation yesterday with Angela. Very good conversation to be quite honest with you. Like, I I not negative, really good. But I just told her, like, you Doug left, Matt was let go, Ron Jon was let go, HQ is threatening to kill the project because we're not producing on the timeline they need. It wasn't a rude email. It was just very direct that we have exactly three and a half weeks, and then they are going to move on to other projects. This was a quarter one. They have a different quarter two project, and they can't let quarter one eat into quarter two. Now I told Angela, I think they got the Adapt X pressure just like we did, and now they're losing their mind over what to do because they're two quarters from going live in ecommerce. Gotcha. I said I don't think they can say that because it's just game of coy where we don't know what each other knows. But so the I told her the and so we got on a call this morning and basically, we're they're gonna flow Omar over to help us. But, like, there's just so many functions that I don't we don't know how they how I assume Ron John or Doug did these, but we think Ron John did. And it was, maintaining c 10 pricing tables for inter departmental pricing. That's nobody here does that. So 00:28:47 - [SCOTT_WARNER] That's interesting. 00:28:48 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Anyway, I we we just hit a lot of roadblocks, and we've had at least three or four errors. Now we have another error that period three is not activated. You know, the month of March isn't turned on in c 10 and these turned on, and so that's two more days of bar going back. And so there's just risk there. I don't I don't need anything. I just want you to know that there's a a little bit of risk there and Angela's non you know, not technical. And so it's hard for she's getting panicked, I think. But we have a week of development in Vertex to do yet once we sign off on this. And so I just pointed out that, like, we're stacking right now. And as soon as we can release DMA to start doing their work, we need to do that to stay ahead of the ball. But I just wanted you to have some Mike's involved, Barb's involved, Pascal, Melinda. 00:29:40 - [SCOTT_WARNER] K. 00:29:42 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Melinda was proxying for Pascal, and then a bunch of folks from HQ who were on the call. So all good. I just, in case you hear about the mail threat, which I don't think they would really do, but and then chat's back on the radar, so we're 00:29:58 - [SCOTT_WARNER] gonna work 00:29:58 - [SHAWN_REMICK] on that next week. 00:30:03 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Done. Okay. 00:30:05 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Do you let me know what you wanna do after we meet with oh, what's his name? Casey. Let me know what you wanna do about the app AdaptX Collaborative. Do you want me to kill that? Keep having those conversations? 00:30:20 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. Let's yeah. Let's just chat with him, see where we end up. Because if you and I end up just saying, I think we got better things to do, then we can move on. So 00:30:28 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Fair. Totally fair. There's an IT KPI touch point on my calendar for Thursday. What is that? 00:30:43 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Who who put it there? Vera? 00:30:50 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Oh, no. It was me. It was me that put it there. It was to it was to get I think it was to discuss I think it was to discuss the next steps. 00:31:04 - [SCOTT_WARNER] When it's recurring, it looks like you're gonna 00:31:07 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. We we walked out of that agreeing to touch base every month. That's what that is. Oh, okay. I I make I don't know. I'll ask Vera what she wants to do. I don't care either. Yeah. 00:31:24 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I know she's thick of a lot. Yeah. 00:31:27 - [SHAWN_REMICK] And she's gonna be catching up, so maybe I can say that I'm giving her a break. Really giving myself a break. 00:31:35 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I think that helps too. 00:31:36 - [SHAWN_REMICK] So okay. 00:31:37 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Cipher SoftStop wants to come on to Cipher. I feel like I wanna put that on your radar only from the HR conversation. 00:31:48 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I don't. Yeah. I I haven't had this discussion with Lisa yet because I didn't really I probably should have anticipated that a little bit better yesterday because we were looking at a new payroll system, but it's just another thing. You know, Mike, I don't know what we wanna do there. So 00:32:04 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. So I'm gonna help them on the dealer side and tell them that their end user side is on hold because I don't know what our plan I don't passionately care what we do I'll service on that. 00:32:19 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Okay. Oh, one sorry. Just thought of one more thing. I talked to Patric yesterday about the Adaptec staff list that I asked for, you know, a while ago, and he said, it's too many people to list. And I was like, well, is this still a secret? Like, what are we doing here? So he he's gonna send that. He hasn't yet. So, hopefully, I have that by today. So 00:32:43 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Who is he? 00:32:44 - [SCOTT_WARNER] He's the German project manager of Adaptex. So 00:32:50 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Oh, Bader? Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. You cut out for a second. I I think that's what you probably said, and I just didn't hear it. Gotcha. 00:32:59 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I just wanted you to know that I didn't forget the request. And I have a list that I put together, but I wanted the official list, so we'll see. 00:33:09 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Okay. That's that's all good, man. No worries at all. I'm just flipping through anything else. Sorry. Gage just sent me a text that said, this server thing is like a hot potato. 00:33:26 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I was like, you have no idea, dude. He seems in a better mood again finally. So 00:33:34 - [SHAWN_REMICK] he he had a rough week last week, and I think he's yeah. I think there's a lot going on in Gage's life. 00:33:44 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Like, home wise, you mean? Or 00:33:47 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I'm you you know, we've talked about this before. I can't figure him out, Scott. I really struggle. Like, I've asked him and he always seems like, oh, things are fine. But, like, last week, something was off with him. 00:33:57 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I agree. You knew he he bailed on Friday. 00:34:04 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Some something's off, and I can't figure out what's off. 00:34:10 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I I felt definitely that I mean, obviously, something was off because he acknowledged, hey. I know this is really important, but you know, which was kinda weird. So 00:34:25 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Yeah. He texted me first and asked what I thought about it. And I said, dude, if you're not in the space to do it, you're not in the space to do it. Just square up with Scott on it. And I said, I'm sure we'll figure something out. I didn't tell him that we were at the last day because I didn't want him to feel guilty, but then he texted me back. He's like, I 00:34:47 - [SHAWN_REMICK] think this is, 00:34:48 - [SHAWN_REMICK] like, the last day to do it. Yeah. He felt real bad, but I yeah. I don't know, man. I there's something there. I just can't figure out what's there. I'm in the same boat you are. 00:34:58 - [SCOTT_WARNER] I did. I mean, I did tell him and just said, hey. Like, unfortunately, I can't move it because and and I but I said, like, don't worry about it. I mean 00:35:06 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. 00:35:07 - [SHAWN_REMICK] You're if you're 00:35:07 - [SCOTT_WARNER] not in the right headspace, nothing's gonna change that. So 00:35:11 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Life life will go on. Does for everybody. 00:35:15 - [SCOTT_WARNER] And I I said, honestly, for your stuff, we can I mean, I I don't mean this disrespect, but it's it's not exactly rocket science? Like, we can figure it out. 00:35:24 - [SHAWN_REMICK] So Yeah. And it's also not the world's most important part. Like, we don't have a lot of outages. We don't have a lot. That's what I told him. Like, we don't have a lot of issues in this company around this Unless there's a perception, which we should know about, but I don't I'm I think our network goes down a handful of times a year at the most. Most of our uptimes are in the, like, eighty, ninety day windows anyway. 00:35:51 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I agree. 00:35:54 - [SHAWN_REMICK] UPS is our biggest culprit. Weirdly enough. Alright. I don't think I have anything else. The only other thing, I I guess, maybe is I would suggest we advocate on the HR thing. We're we really should advocate to do quarter three and implement this the right way in a multi departmental collaborative environment. Yeah. It sounded like that's 00:36:21 - [SCOTT_WARNER] where Lisa's kinda trending mentally because we kinda chatted this morning because I she thinks the right direction actually might be this next company, UKG, because they can handle more than 500 users, but Paylocity really can't. And she said, so, you know, as we on go, like, other m and a activities or we keep growing, we would almost be ensuring down the road we had to change systems again. So, I mean, she wants to evaluate them both and see, but she she acknowledges that. And she said, UKG has already pretty much told her there's no chance of that go live. So 00:36:55 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. I also would would say one other thing, and then I'll I'll get out of my space on this. You have acknowledged with her that she is doing this without any criteria, without any scoping, without any, like it's frightening how we're making this decision. I just wanna verbalize that to you. 00:37:13 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I haven't had that discussion with her because it it just hasn't come up, but I I do feel like we really need to at some point well, I guess, maybe today I need to sit down with her and just kinda run her through her because, like Like what I think she's done is I think she's decided that she knows what an HR system needs to be and she might, but how many times are we gonna go down this path and screw it up? Does that make sense? You know? 00:37:40 - [SHAWN_REMICK] But she's on she's on month three. How could she possibly understand every intricacy of the company? 00:37:44 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Right. Fair. 00:37:45 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Like, what we need this to do, the task, the objective, like, that's I actually laughed out loud when we said the words RFP because this is as far from an RFP as one could get. Like, there are no objectives to this project. It is just show us a demo, Kate, Ron, and Barb, and Shawn run off some things in their head they think are important, and then they showed us it's like, Kate ran off at least 20 examples, and we talked about a couple of them. This it seems like we should be more intentional that we're to be fair, I've used UKG for more than ten years. So Yeah. I am biased in the fact that I do think they would probably I agree with her, but I just don't know how we would compare two products when and then the other topic that is, like, assets. Dude, it'd be cool to put our assets in there, but we can't keep one for more than 365 00:38:50 - [SCOTT_WARNER] days. So my general 00:38:52 - [SHAWN_REMICK] we can. Right? Zero interest in putting any of our data into a system that we may not have next year with HR folks that we may not have next year. 00:39:02 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. Candidly. Right? I mean, it is the truth. So 00:39:05 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I think at this point, I would tell her that. Like, this has gotten to be kind of a joke. And then they manage it. We can't get access to any of it. So 00:39:14 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. I that's where I get really frustrated. But yeah. I'll I'll have a she and I have been chitchatting a lot today, so I may try to just throw it at her and see. Like, I'm not trying to overcomplicate her life, but also I'm with you. It's like and I've told her, like, this is my sixth system in ten years. That's insane. 00:39:36 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Yeah. There should just be some requirements, and we should have examples of reports with fake data in them that we need out, like, and the vendor should have to say, yes. They can 00:39:48 - [SCOTT_WARNER] do these 00:39:48 - [SHAWN_REMICK] items. Like, that's just how I've always we have problems I'd love to solve with this in IT, but I'm nervous to consider solving them because I don't know. I also will say this, and I I think you believe this too. There's a lot of problems that are of their own making. Mhmm. Like, they just won't let anyone in their kingdom. And if that's gonna continue to be the case, the products are gonna continue to not serve because I don't I just don't think those two individuals are technical savvy enough to implement solutions. 00:40:25 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Yeah. 100. So I did get Amity to approve me to get access to Paycor today. So I talked to Lisa about it this morning just because I said, I don't know how your data is structured. I don't know what kind of things you store. I said Ryan designed everything how he wanted to design it, and I said, I'd like to look at permission levels. There's no reason every manager in this company shouldn't be able to run reports. Like, that's insane. It has to be a permissions problem. So I 00:40:50 - [SHAWN_REMICK] don't disagree. Think a lot of paperwork problems. But if we do another system and we let HR do all of their own IT again, I don't I just don't think we're doing a service to the company. 00:41:00 - [SCOTT_WARNER] No. I agree with you. And I I think there's that's why you and I are such a big part of this. And she asked me or or she's gonna send an email if she hasn't already about this Canadian one and ask, like, do we need to be in those meetings? Here hold on. She's saying, if you don't want to be, feel free to opt out. And I said, well, I was like, I'll attend because I can just do other work while I listen. I was like, Shawn will most likely wanna be there for the same reason. We both can do two things at once and tell you if we have an issue. So 00:41:28 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Yeah. Yeah. It just takes me a minute to unmute. But yeah. No. You're right. You're spot on. I'd rather be there and not need the info and get other stuff done and then us miss glaring mistakes 00:41:39 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Right. 00:41:39 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Down the road. 00:41:40 - [SCOTT_WARNER] So Okay. 00:41:41 - [SHAWN_REMICK] Alright. Good stuff, man. 00:41:43 - [SCOTT_WARNER] Take care, Shawn. 00:41:44 - [SHAWN_REMICK] I hope
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